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Savvy Aviator Newsletter 2004-05 May 13, 2004

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Savvy Owner Notebook:
The Zero-Time Engine Myth

    When you buy a factory rebuilt engine, it
    comes with a "zero-time" logbook. Does
    this mean that the factory rebuilt is
    somehow better than a field overhaul?
    Don't count on it!.

Seminar Calendar
    Last chance to sign up for the Harrisburg 
    (Pa.) seminar on June 12-13. Additional 
    seminars are scheduled in Oshkosh, Seattle,
    Denver and Long Beach. We're now offering
    special discounts for owners who wish to
    attend with their spouse/partner/mechanic;
    also discounts for groups of five or more.

Seminar Feedback
    What participants had to say about Mike's
    inaugural seminar in Memphis.

New Articles and Web Site Additions
    Mike's latest AVweb column discusses
    owner-assisted annuals--how they work,
    what the division of responsibility is
    between owner and A&P, and why every
    aircraft owner should do at least one.

Alert:

Savvy Owner Notebook:
The Zero-Time Engine Myth

When you exchange your worn-out engine for a factory rebuilt one, you get a fresh new "zero-time" logbook to go with it. When you have your engine field overhauled to new limits, you don't. Does this mean that the factory rebuilt is somehow a better engine than the field overhaul? Don't count on it!

          by Mike Busch (mike.busch@savvyaviator.com)

Mike BuschFAA regulations permit an engine manufacturer like TCM and Lycoming to assemble rebuilt engines using "pre-owned" components such as crankcases and crankshafts, and to furnish them with new "zero-time" logbooks, so long as such rebuilt engines meet the same tolerances and limits as a new engine. Such engines are commonly referred to as "factory remans," but "rebuilt" is the correct term (as we shall see).

Only the original engine manufacturer is permitted to rebuild an engine and furnish a zero-time logbook. If you take your engine to a first-rate overhaul shop, they will overhaul the engine to new limits-very possibly to better-than-new limits in certain areas like balancing and flow-matching-but they can't give you a zero-time logbook because the FAA reserves that privilege only for the manufacturer. Here's what the regulation says:

 

§ 91.421 Rebuilt engine maintenance records.

     (a) The owner or operator may use a new maintenance record, without previous operating history, for an aircraft engine rebuilt by the manufacturer or by an agency approved by the manufacturer.

     (b) Each manufacturer or agency that grants zero time to an engine rebuilt by it shall enter in the new record-

          (1) A signed statement of the date the engine was rebuilt;

          (2) Each change made as required by airworthiness directives; and

          (3) Each change made in compliance with manufacturer's service bulletins, if the entry is specifically requested in that bulletin.

     (c) For the purposes of this section, a rebuilt engine is a used engine that has been completely disassembled, inspected, repaired as necessary, reassembled, tested, and approved in the same manner and to the same tolerances and limits as a new engine with either new or used parts. However, all parts used in it must conform to the production drawing tolerances and limits for new parts or be of approved oversized or undersized dimensions for a new engine.

 

You may want to read that again, because there are a couple of notable subtleties to be noted in this regulation. First, the reg talks about "the manufacturer or by an agency approved by the manufacturer…" However, neither TCM nor Lycoming has ever given approval to anyone else to rebuild engines, so in the real world only the factory can offer a "rebuilt" engine and a zero-time logbook.

Second, note that the regulation requires a rebuilt engine to be manufactured to new tolerances and limits, but that it explicitly permits the use of "approved oversized or undersized dimensions." What exactly does that mean? You're about to find out!

With this as background, consider the following letter that I recently received from a Part 135 operator in South Florida. I have deleted a few names to protect the innocent:

 

What does "zero-time" mean?

In May of 2000, I exchanged two IO-520-EB engines for "factory-rebuilt" (zero-time) engine with Teledyne Continental Motors. What did I get?

As has been my practice since I started my charter company in 1995, I have alternated "factory overhauls" with "field overhauls" based on a few assumptions. As you have frequently pointed out in your articles and seminars, TBO is only a factory recommendation and not any sort of a mandatory requirement unless you are operating the airplane commercially (as we are). It is commonplace for aircraft owners to exceed TBO by a considerable margin.

In fact, we do so as well. The local FSDO has approved a TBO extension for us of 200 hours. At that time, we are required by Operations Specification to overhaul our engines.

In our business, downtime is a huge deal. Taking an airplane out of service to replace an engine before it reaches TBO is costly not only in dollars but in creating an equipment shortage as well. We simply cannot afford to lose an airplane at a critical juncture for an unexpected overhaul. In order to minimize the possibility of that, we have made it our practice with alternating overhauls between "factory rebuilts" and overhauls by a local repair station here in South Florida.

We have done that for the past eight years and as a result, I am proud to say we have never had an engine not make TBO + 200 hours. In addition when we do a field overhaul, we insist on new cylinders as well. We have always felt that although considerably more expensive, we were getting our money's worth with "factory rebuilts" because when we were told the engines were "zero time" we mistakenly assumed that meant FACTORY NEW TOLERANCE. We have recently been made painfully aware -- to the tune of $12,000 -- that is not the case.

In May 2000, we installed "zero time" factory rebuilts on one of our airplanes. We ran the engines to 1900 SMOH and removed them for overhaul. We sent them to the local repair station for overhaul, as per our standard practice. The shop rejected the crankshaft. I was shocked. We had paid over $7,000 more than a field overhaul for these engines in 2000.

I spoke to the people at the repair station to get an explanation as to the condition of my crankshafts. The General Manager told me that typically a crankshaft is good for about four runs to recommended TBO. According to him, after two runs to TBO it generally has to be ground to .010" undersize. Then it will typically make two more runs to TBO prior to being rejected. Since my "zero-time" wound up being rejected after only a single run to 1900 SMOH, I can only draw one conclusion: the crankshaft not new when it was installed. When we bought "zero-time factory rebuilts" we expected the crankshafts to make at least the two runs until we turned the engines in for "factory rebuilts" again. New cranks for my field overhauls cost me another $4,300 for a total of almost $12,000.

I will not be buying "zero-time" engines from TCM again. I don't see the advantage. In fact, I now know the condition of my crankshafts and I can monitor their life span on my own. Furthermore, I gave TCM two months to resolve the issue and they ignored my inquiries. They finally responded to the G.M. of the engine repair station with a one line statement "the engine is long out of any warranty consideration." Some attitude toward customer service, huh?

 

A "zero-time" log is not a zero-time engine!

TCM factory rebuilt engineWhile it's true that a factory rebuilt engine comes with a zero-time logbook while a field overhauled engine does not, it's not for the reason you may think.

When you have your engine overhauled by a field overhaul shop, that engine retains most of its original parts, as well as its serial number, data plate, and engine logbook or other maintenance records. When your engine is torn down by the overhaul shop, all its parts are segregated and kept together, usually on a big roll-around cart that stays with your engine until the overhaul is complete. The shop cleans and inspects all the parts, discards the ones that aren't serviceable, and retains the ones that are (hopefully at least the big high-ticket ones like your crankcase and crankshaft). The overhauled engine you get back is legally the same engine you sent in, all cleaned up with lots of new parts.

On the other hand, when TCM or Lycoming receives a runout core from a customer, that engine loses its identity. The data plate is removed and destroyed. So are the logbooks. The case halves are cleaned up, inspected, and added to a big pile of reusable case halves. The crankshaft is cleaned up, inspected, and added to a big stack of reusable cranks. The same is true of camshafts, rods, accessory gears, and so forth. Those reusable parts become "anonymous" because they're no longer associated with any particular engine serial number.

Sometimes, those parts can be reused as-is. Other times, the parts may be machined to approved undersize or oversize tolerances before they are reused. When you purchase a factory rebuilt engine, you have absolutely no way of knowing whether the reused parts used to build up your engine are standard or approved oversize/undersize.

Now, when TCM or Lycoming builds up a factory rebuilt, it pulls some "anonymous" case halves from one pile, an "anonymous" crankshaft from another pile, and so forth. When the engine is completely assembled, it gets a new data plate, a new serial number, and a new logbook.

The logbook starts out at zero time-in-service. Why zero? Because there's no other reasonable figure to put in the logbook! The case halves are certainly not zero-time, but there's no record of how much time they've accrued. The crankshaft may not be new, but there's no record of how much time is on the crank, either. And so on.

In short, the "zero-time" logbook that comes with a factory rebuilt engine in no way implies that the engine is "newer" or "better" than a field overhaul. All it implies is that the reused components in the engine are of unknown heritage. Nobody has a clue how long they were in service prior to the time then were cleaned up, inspected, possibly reconditioned by machining oversize or undersize, and reused in your engine.

Where did this myth come from?

Beechcraft Baron B58The notion that a "zero-time" logbook somehow implies zero-time parts is a common fallacy, but you now know that it has no foundation either in fact or regulation. Nevertheless, I think I can probably guess where this erroneous idea originated.

In the late 1970s and early 1980s, most TCM factory rebuilt engines were delivered new crankcases, simply because the factory had recently switched from "light case" to "heavy case" design, and there weren't yet enough "heavy case" cores available to meet the demand for rebuilts. In the early 1990s, there was a period of time when most TCM rebuilt engines were delivered with new crankshafts, because TCM required that older "airmelt" crankshafts be retired and replaced with newer "vacuum arc remelt" (VAR) crankshafts.

But those were exceptions. As a general rule you cannot assume that your factory rebuilt engine will have either a new case or a new crank. In fact, as our disillusioned charter operator learned, you can't even assume that the crank will meet new standard dimensions. It says so right in the regs!

Do you have a maintenance-related "war story" that you'd like to share with fellow aircraft owners? If you do, I'd love to hear from you. The most interesting stories I receive each month will be rewarded with highly prized Savvy Aviator coffee mugs, so please include your shipping address. Also be sure to let me know if you'd like me to "change the names to protect the innocent" when sharing your story.
Seminar Calendar

LAST CALL FOR HARRISBURG! Our first Savvy Owner Seminar in the Northeast U.S. is coming up quickly in Harrisburg (Pa.) on June  12-13. This unique weekend course for aircraft owners has received rave reviews from the owners who attended the inaugural edition in Memphis recently. The seminar is designed to help you make better maintenance decisions, improve your troubleshooting skills, and save you lots of money on the maintenance of your airplane. I promise you an enjoyable and enlightening weekend that will repay your investment in time and tuition many times over, year after year.

NEW SEMINAR DISCOUNTS FOR PARTNERS AND GROUPS: If you sign up for one of the seminars and wish bring your spouse, aircraft partner or mechanic to take the course with you, your partner will be charged only one-half the normal $595.00 course fee. If you belong to (or assemble) a group of five or more aircraft owners interested in attending a course together, we can offer you a very attractive group rate. If you have ten or more interested in attending, we may be able to schedule a special seminar at your location. Please contact Ann Devers by email or telephone to arrange group discounts and special seminars.

If you can't make it to the Harrisburg seminar, we have four more The Savvy AviatorSavvy Owner Seminars presently scheduled at sites throughout the continental U.S.:

  • July 24-25, 2004 -- Oshkosh, Wisconsin (in conjunction with EAA AirVenture Oshkosh 2004 July 27-August 2)
     
  • August 21-22 -- Seattle, Washington
     
  • September 18-19 -- Denver, Colorado
     
  • October 24-25 -- Long Beach, California (in conjunction with AOPA Expo 2004 October 21-23)

Seminar location map

Seminar Notes:

  • The July 24-25 seminar in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, is scheduled for the weekend immediately preceding EAA AirVenture 2004, which starts on Tuesday, July 27.
     
  • The October 24-25 seminar in Long Beach, California, is an unusual Sunday/Monday class that immediately follows AOPA Expo 2004 (October 21-23) in Long Beach. All other classes are scheduled for Saturday/Sunday.
     
  • Discounts: We offer a variety of discounts for members of sponsoring associations, for owners who wish to attend a class with their airplane partner, spouse or mechanic, and for groups of five or more who wish to attend a class together. Details can be found on the website.
     
  • Class sizes: Due to meeting room size restrictions, most of these classes must be limited to 30 participants. Advance reservations are required, and will be accepted on a first-come first-served basis.
     
  • PLEASE make your reservations early using the secure online sign-up procedure on the Savvy Aviator website. Ann and I really need to have as much advance notice as possible of how many owners will be attending each class so that we can line up the necessary facilities, food, and hotel rooms. Also, if we don't have enough sign-ups at least 30 days before a class date, we have no choice but to cancel the class (and we hate to do that because it's a terrible inconvenience for the people who did sign up to attend). So if you're interested in attending one of the seminars, please sign up NOW even if you're not 100% sure you can make it. A $50 discount applies when you sign up at least 30 days in advance of the seminar start date, and our cancellation policy permits you to cancel at least 30 days in advance without penalty.
Seminar Feedback

These are comments from owners who attended the inaugural Savvy Owner Seminar in Memphis (Tenn.) in April:

     "I've just attended the inaugural run of Mike Busch's Savvy Owner Seminar, and it pioneers a whole new class of pilot education: training pilots to become intelligent and savvy AIRCRAFT OWNERS. Graduates of this program will understand their rights and responsibilities related to airworthiness and maintenance, should enjoy a much better relationship with their mechanics, will save money, increase dispatch reliability, and generally have a much more enjoyable ownership experience. Mike is passionate about making airplanes safe, but doing so as inexpensively as possible. I sure learned a lot, and you will too. I guarantee you'll feel much more like "owner-in-command" of your airplane -- as opposed to being at the mercy of mechanics and IAs, especially when you're away from home base -- after you've taken this course." --Thomas P. Turner, Wichita KS (Mgr. of Technical Services, American Bonanza Society)

     "The seminar was simply OUTSTANDING!!! I've been to a lot of meetings, seminars, and classes over the past couple of decades, and this was absolutely one of the BEST!! You gave me a LOT of information on dealing with my mechanic, and with the shop manager. I had no idea how much maintenance I can do as the owner/pilot, but more importantly I can now speak much more intelligently when dealing with Mr. A&P. It would seem to me that I might like to send my mechanic to your seminar -- you said LOTS of things that I would like for him to hear directly 'from the horses mouth.' <grin> Thanks again for a great weekend!!" --Chip Allen, Marietta GA (1993 Beechcraft Baron B55, 1939 Piper J-3 Cub)

     "I just attended the first Savvy Owner Seminar here in Memphis, conducted by Mike Busch. To say the least, I was VERY IMPRESSED. Mike did an excellent job leading us in discussions ranging from being involved in our own annuals (read that "saving money") to how to pick your next engine. Besides being very informative on all the subjects discussed, I took away from the seminar LOTS of information that I could use to better deal with future maintenance problems: troubleshooting various problems, what maintenance I can perform myself without A&P supervision, etc. I highly recommend Mike's seminar. I know I'll save the price of admission on future maintenance. An excellent seminar, well worth my time. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and would do it again." --Ron Davis, Memphis TN (1969 Cessna 210)

     "I have been a fan of Mike's since the early days of AVweb, but this seminar really put me over the top. It confirmed a lot of information I had been operating under, and provided a ton of new learning. Anyone with an interest in assisting in their own maintenance should certainly consider attending one of these courses. As Mike said, it will make you the 'owner in command' you should be." --Milt Concannon, McComb MS (1972 Cessna 414)

     "It was enlightening and fun, and I feel like I now know a good deal more than I did about how to work out a good relationship with the mechanics who work on my plane. I've been lucky so far, but learning how to ensure continued success was worth the seminar cost. Great seminar, Mike, and thanks!" --John Mooney, Long Island NY (1978 Cessna 182)

     "Excellent job! I enjoyed it thoroughly! Great to have the chance to ask questions and get expert answers that were understandable to a non-wrench-turner like me." --Lou Schafer, Memphis TN (1979 Cessna T310R)

     "Really wonderful and informative! Will save me tons of $$$$s. Thank you, Mike!" --Jamie McGehee, Memphis TN (1984 Cessna TR182)

     "The seminar notebook is outstanding -- one of the best I have ever received in 30 years of attending seminars and meetings. Thanks!" --Bob Gillmann, Birmingham AL (1980 Cessna 182, 1977 Cessna R172)

New Articles and Web Site Additions

Mike BuschMy latest AVweb column is titled "Owner-Assisted Annuals." In my opinion, here's no better way for an owner to get savvy about his aircraft than to assist with an annual inspection. In fact, I strongly urge every aircraft owner to go through the process at least once, preferably early in his ownership tenure. In this article, I explain what's involved, and offer some alternatives for owners who simply can't spare the time.

I receive lots of email every day asking for my advice on maintenance matters, troubleshooting tips, aircraft purchase decisions and other subjects. I'm always happy to receive such messages, and I personally respond to every one. However, I'd like to encourage you to post such questions in the Savvy Aviator interactive forums area so that other owners can benefit from your questions and my answers, and contribute to the discussion. There are forums for discussion of engines, airframes, electrical systems and other maintenance issues. I actively monitor and participate in these forums every day.

Please keep in touch using the interactive forums area or via email. I really enjoy hearing from you, and value your comments and suggestions.

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