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Savvy Aviator Newsletter 2005-07 July 20, 2005

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Savvy Owner Notebook:
Car Parts For Spam Cans?

    Is it legal to install a Ford alternator in a Cessna?
    What about a Ford door handle? Can you legally
    have your Cessna alternator repaired by the
    local automotive alternator shop? And even if it's
    legal, would it be smart?.

Seminar Calendar
    During the next 12 months, Mike will be doing
    seminars in 16 locations, including San
    Francisco, Chicago, Boston, Denver, Frederick,
    Atlanta, Phoenix, Los Angeles, Charlotte,
    Orlando, Houston, Memphis, Las Vegas, San
    Diego, and Salt Lake City.

New Articles and Web Site Additions
    Mike's latest AVweb column discusses the joys
    and pitfalls of owner-performed maintenance.

Alert:
  • Mike is off to Oshkosh, where EAA has invited him to give four technical forums at EAA AirVenture 2005 in the Forums Plaza:
    - July 27, 8:30-9:45 am - "Do-It-Yourself Maintenance for Certificated Aircraft"
    - July 27, 1:00-2:15 pm - "The 10 Biggest Lies About Piston Aircraft Engines"
    - July 28, 2:30-3:45 pm - "To TBO and Beyond..." (thoughts on powerplant geriatrics)
    - July 28, 4:00-5:15 pm - "Do You REALLY Want To Own A Twin?"
    He will also be doing some informal technical sessions at the Cessna Pilots Association and American Bonanza Society tents. If you're attending AirVenture, please do stop by to say hello!
     
  • Mike has scheduled 16 seminars in the next 12 months in San Francisco, Chicago, Boston, Denver, Frederick, Atlanta, Phoenix, Los Angeles, Charlotte, Orlando, Houston, Memphis, Las Vegas, San Diego, and Salt Lake City. Mike's recent seminars have been sold out well in advance, so if you're interested in attending any of these classes, it would be a good idea to sign up pronto. (NOTE: If your plans change, you can still cancel without penalty up to 30 days prior to the seminar date.)
Savvy Owner Notebook:
Car Parts For Spam Cans?

Is it legal to install a Ford alternator in a Cessna? What about a Ford door handle? Can you legally have your Cessna alternator repaired by the local automotive alternator shop? And even if it's legal, would it be smart? The answers aren't as black-and-white as you might think.

          by Mike Busch, A&P/IA (mike.busch@savvyaviator.com)

Mike BuschMost of these monthly Savvy Owner Notebook columns are inspired by emails or phone calls I get from aircraft owners, and this one is no exception. This month's column was triggered by an interesting email exchange between two brothers named Mark and Scott—both sons of an aircraft owner and both aircraft owners themselves.

Theirs is clearly an ecumenical family: Mark owns a Bellanca Super Viking, Scott owns a Cessna Cardinal, and their dad owns a Piper Dakota. As the curtain went up on this little drama, brothers Mark and Scott were engaged in an apparently long-running argument about a subject that comes up with some regularity: the use of automotive parts and services in maintenance of certificated aircraft.

Mark's view

I first heard from Mark:

Mike:

I've been reading your columns on aircraft maintenance since you started and have enjoyed them very much. A subject has popped up on my radar recently about which I would welcome your opinion.

Recently, my father and brother were flying in my father's Dakota at night and the alternator quit taking the rest of electrical system with it, it was as if the master switch was turned off. The particulars of that problem aren't relevant to this discussion. The good news is that both my dad and my brother are good pilots and landed without incident.

Ford alternatorSubsequently, my father's A&P (a long time family friend) removed the alternator and took it to an automotive alternator shop for rebuild. I haven't seen the log books, but I'm under the impression that no log book entry was made. When I questioned this procedure my brother told me that everybody knows a lot of airplanes use car parts. He pointed out that the alternator in his Cessna Cardinal is from a 75 Ford Galaxy. He said that you pay a huge premium to have your alternator done at an aviation shop for the same work and the same parts.

So here is where the story gets interesting. After the alternator rebuild I flew my Dad's Dakota. There was a noticeable whine in the headsets that varied with engine RPM. I told my father I thought there was something wrong with his alternator. He dismissed my concern, saying that it was impossible because his alternator had just been rebuilt. A few weeks later my brother was flying the Dakota on an IFR flight plan in actual when the alternator failed again. Fortunately my brother was able to descend to VFR and land normally on battery power with everything turned off but the #1 comm radio.

Is there something wrong with this picture? I own a Bellanca Super Viking and I pay dearly to have it maintained by the best guy around to the highest standard I can afford. I believe my airplane is 100% legal and my log books are completely accurate. It makes me feel like a chump to think I'm paying a lot more than everyone else-- but on the other hand in the 160 hours I've owned my plane I haven't had any significant problems either. I'd welcome your thoughts.

--Mark

Scott's view

Mark cc'd his brother on his email to me, and within a few hours Scott's reply was in my email inbox:

Mark,

I'm not suggesting automotive parts are appropriate for aircraft. What I am saying is that for such items as alternators they are nearly identical to those used in cars. In the case of a Cardinal, for example, the alternator is nearly identical to the 75 Ford Galaxy. The "nearly identical" characterization is not mine, by the wayit came from the Cardinal Flyers website.

I did not advocate installing a 75 Ford alternator, despite the fact is they are nearly identical. My Cardinal alternator is "aircraft grade," yellow tagged, and legal. For this dubious distinction, I paid some stupid amount of money to a shop whose primary business is automotive alternator overhauls. Since I overhauled all accessories at once at engine overhaul, I chose to pay this premium for the same work as I would normally have had done for much less.

Normally I don't care about a yellow tag for such items and use a quality shop for the work. I've gotten yellow tagged item which were garbage in the past. Over the years I've had regular occasion to rework the poor "aircraft quality" parts I have received from FAA-PMA parts suppliers. That is to say, often aircraft parts are of poor quality and I refused to install them without repairing them. It would have been perfectly legal to install those parts, but that doesn't mean much when those parts pose a hazard to safe operations. It is our responsibility as Pilots-In-Command to determine if the airplane is airworthy, not the parts supplier.

I do have some auto parts on my plane because the original parts from Cessna were not available. It is no coincidence those parts have the same Cessna part number as the auto part, or that the purchase price was $39 (rather than $500-$600 that Cessna quoted while informing me that the parts were not available).

Door handleBTW, Cardinal fuel pumps, door handles, window cranks, voltage regulators, head rests, and more are directly taken from auto suppliers. I believe many of these parts were also used on boats, tractors, trains, trucks, and more. I think you'll find the same with Bellancas, and that you've told me about this in the past.

The Cirrus people talk about attaining "automotive quality" for fit, finish, and reliability of their airplanes. This is a great target to shoot for.

Evidently the recent electrical problem with Dad's Dakota was due to some improper wiring work before he took ownership of the airplane. In our old airplanes unknown wiring from previous ownership is fairly common. (I bet there's a bunch of spaghetti behind the panel of your Viking.) The installation of the overhauled alternator on the Dakota was properly signed off and legal. Because the alternator continues to work properly we cannot classify the recent incident as an alternator failure at all.

You should take Mike's' courseI would like to do so as well. Mike advocates owner involvement in maintenance, and encourages owners to turn wrenches and get their hands dirty to the extent they are willing and interested.

The crumbling GA maintenance infrastructure makes such owner involvement imperative. Paying top dollar or being legal is no guarantee of safety. Increased owner involvement is the best solution.

--Scott

Classic dilemma

I found this exchange between Mark and Scott to be both interesting and thought-provoking. It clearly illustrates the classic dilemma that every aircraft owner faces from time to time when the dictates of common sense and practical necessity wind up at odds with the dictates of FAA regulations and "doing it by the book." It's not just aircraft owners who are afflicted by such dilemmas—they're also the things that cause indigestion and hair loss among career A&P/IAs.

There's huge difference FAR-wise between installing an automotive alternator on a certificated airplane and having an automotive alternator shop do repairs on an aircraft alternator. The former—installing a Ford alternator on a Cessna—is usually against the rules and probably not a great idea unless there's absolutely no alternative. (If there is no alternative, there are some ways to get around the prohibition that I'll discuss shortly.)

The latter—having an approved aircraft alternator repaired by an unapproved shop—is an entirely different matter. It's absolutely legal if your A&P is comfortable with it and willing to sign it off. That's because Part 43 allows anyone to do maintenance and repair of a certificated aircraft so long as the work is done under the supervision of an A&P mechanic. In other words, if an A&P is allowed to overhaul an alternator (which he is), then he's also permitted to supervise someone else overhauling the alternator. Part 43 also makes it clear that the amount of supervision required is completely up to the discretion of the A&P. Any amount of oversight that makes him comfortable—even "call me when it's done"—is perfectly legal. Naturally, if something goes wrong later, the FAA will hold the A&P who signs off the work accountable for the consequences.

FAA Form 8130-3 airworthiness approval tagMany career A&Ps refuse to install any repair part on a certificated aircraft unless it comes from an approved source (e.g., the aircraft manufacturer, a FAA-PMA supplier, or a certified repair station) and comes with proper documentation (a yellow tag or an FAA Form 8130-3). Aircraft owners often wind up with the notion that it's illegal to install any part that doesn't have such documentation, but that's simply not so. The only real effect of the yellow tag or 8130-3 is to shift the burden of responsibility for assuring that the repair part is airworthy from the installing mechanic to the part vendor. Since career A&Ps tend to be very concerned about liability (and rightly so), they much prefer to install fully documented parts rather than undocumented ones. But it's certainly not a requirement, at least for Part 91 aircraft.

As Scott appropriately points out, an undocumented part (say, from a salvage yard) may be superbly airworthy, and one with a yellow tag or 8130-3 could be a hunk of junk. I can tell you for a fact that one of the world's largest FAA-PMA suppliers of aircraft alternators has been shipping a lot of really awful alternators lately. But all were perfectly documented.

Car parts for spam cans

If you absolutely positively must install an automotive part on a certificated aircraft—perhaps because the part is simply unavailable from an approved source or is impossibly costly—there are two possible ways to do it legally. The first way is to persuade an FAA inspector at your local FSDO that it's okay and get him to sign an FAA Form 337 granting you a field approval. Unfortunately, FAA headquarters issued new guidance last year that makes it much more difficult for FSDO inspectors to grant field approvals than it used to be. Under the new policy, it's often necessary to involve a Designated Engineering Representative (DER) or an FAA Aircraft Certification Office (ACO) to obtain a field approval. Hiring a DER can be an expensive proposition, and obtaining help from an ACO can take months or years.

The second method is to install the automotive part as an "owner-produced part." FAR 21.303(b) gives aircraft owners the authority to produce parts for their own aircraft (but not for sale), and such parts can be perfectly legal. Furthermore, the FAA lawyers have published a letter of interpretation that defines what "owner-produced" means, and it's surprisingly liberal. To "produce" a part, the owner need not manufacture it himself. It's sufficient for the owner to furnish the specifications for making the part, furnish the materials from which the part is made, or provide quality assurance for the part. Thus, if the owner of a Bellanca finds a Ford door handle that he determines to be identical to the original Bellanca door handle in terms of form, fit, function and other factors affecting airworthiness, the owner may deem it to be an owner-produced part (since he provided quality assurance for it)  and document it in the aircraft logbooks as such. Of course, if the part is one that must be installed by an A&P, the mechanic must also be satisfied that the part is airworthy and willing to sign off the installation.

So while it generally does not make sense to install an automotive part rather than an aircraft part just to save a few bucks (or even a few hundred bucks), it can be done legally when necessary if you jump through the right hoops. Most of the time, however, the juice isn't worth the squeeze and the best course is to bite the bullet and buy the approved part.

I agree with Scott when he says that "paying top dollar or being legal is no guarantee of safety." I'm obsessive about not wasting money on maintenance, and a major theme of my seminars is how to accomplish that. On the other hand, I'm also pretty obsessive about staying legalnot because legal is necessary safer, but because if you do something that's not legal you never know when it's going to catch up with you during an annual inspection or ramp check when some A&P/IA or FAA inspector asks you "what's the approval basis for THAT?"

Do you have a maintenance-related "war story" that you'd like to share with fellow aircraft owners? If you do, I'd love to hear from you. The most interesting stories I receive each month will be rewarded with highly prized Savvy Aviator coffee mugs, so please include your shipping address. Also be sure to let me know if you'd like me to "change the names to protect the innocent" when sharing your story.
2005-2006 Seminar Calendar

Mike has scheduled 16 Savvy Owner Seminars in the next 12 months:

2005:

  • Aug 27-28 San Francisco (SQL)  90% FULL
  • Sep 17-18 Chicago (PWK)
  • Sep 24-25 Boston (OWD)  50% FULL
  • Oct 01-02 Denver (APA)
  • Oct 22-23 Frederick MD (FDK)  95% FULL
  • Oct 29-30 Atlanta (FFC)  55% FULL
  • Dec 03-04 Phoenix (PHX)
  • Dec 10-11 Los Angeles (LGB)

2006:

  • Jan 21-22 Charlotte (JQF)
  • Jan 28-29 Orlando (ISM)
  • Feb 11-12 Santa Maria CA (SMX)
  • Feb 25-26 Houston (HOU)
  • Mar 04-05 Memphis (MEM)
  • Mar 26-27 Las Vegas (LAS/HND/VGT)
  • May 06-07 San Diego (MYF)
  • May 20-21 Salt Lake City (SLC)

Seminar location map

Each seminar is strictly limited to a maximum of 25 participants. Therefore, if you're interested in attending you'd be wise to register online now to reserve your spot. You may cancel without penalty up to 30 days prior to the seminar date.

The Savvy AviatorThis unique weekend course for aircraft owners has received rave reviews from owners who have attended this program. The seminar is designed to help you make better maintenance decisions, improve your troubleshooting skills, and save you lots of money on the maintenance of your airplane. I promise you an enjoyable and enlightening weekend that will repay your investment in time and tuition many times over, year after year.

DISCOUNTS FOR PARTNERS AND GROUPS: If you sign up for one of the seminars and wish bring your spouse, aircraft partner or mechanic to take the course with you, your partner will be charged only one-half the normal $595.00 course fee. If you belong to (or assemble) a group of five or more aircraft owners interested in attending a course together, we can offer you a very attractive group rate. If you have ten or more interested in attending, we may be able to schedule a special seminar at your location. Please contact Mike by email or telephone to arrange group discounts and special seminars.

Seminar Notes:

  • Discounts: We offer a variety of discounts for members of sponsoring associations, for owners who wish to attend a class with their airplane partner, spouse or mechanic, and for groups of five or more who wish to attend a class together. Details can be found on the website.
     
  • Class sizes: Due to meeting room size restrictions, most of these classes must be limited to 25 participants. Advance reservations are required, and will be accepted on a first-come first-served basis.
     
  • PLEASE make your reservations early using the secure online sign-up procedure on the Savvy Aviator website. A $50 discount applies when you sign up at least 30 days in advance of the seminar start date, and our cancellation policy permits you to cancel at least 30 days in advance without penalty. These seminars usually fill up well in advance of the class date.  So if you're interested in attending one of the seminars, please sign up NOW even if you're not 100% sure you can make it.
New Articles and Web Site Additions

Mike BuschMy latest AVweb column is titled "The Most Dangerous Thing In Aviation?" The title is tongue-in-cheek, and the article is devoted to the subject of owner-performed maintenance—something I encourage wholeheartedly, as readers of this newsletter know.

I receive lots of emails every day asking for my advice on maintenance matters, troubleshooting tips, aircraft purchase decisions and other subjects. I'm always happy to receive such messages, and I personally respond to every one. However, I'd like to encourage you to post such questions in the Savvy Aviator interactive forums area so that other owners can benefit from your questions and my answers, and contribute to the discussion. There are forums for discussion of engines, airframes, electrical systems and other maintenance issues. I actively monitor and participate in these forums every day.

Please keep in touch using the interactive forums area or via email. I really enjoy hearing from you, and value your comments and suggestions.

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